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it can be easy to lose sight of what's at stake# in the war and the human toll it's taking.

In## a new documentary Glory to the Heroes, French# writer and filmmaker Bernard-Henri Levy turns## the focus back on those he calls the heroes,# not just the fighters on the front lines,## but also the civilians whose decision to remain# in Ukraine is in itself an act of defiance.

From the flooded streets of Kherosn after# Russia destroyed a dam under its control,## to the Eastern Front were battles raised# in Bakhmut from Kharkiv in the north and## Odesa in the South.

Viewers experience Ukraine# summer counter offensive through Levy's lens.

Ali Rogin recently sat down with# Bernard-Henri Levy to discuss the film.

ALI ROGIN: Bernard-Henri Levy, thank# you so much.

Welcome back.

You say at## the beginning of this film, that your# goal is to make sure that Ukraine does## not become a forgotten war.

Do you# think it's at risk of becoming one?

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY, Filmmaker, "Glory to# The Heroes": There was a risk and what is## happening these days on Capitol Hill.

What increase the risk.

There is a fatigue about# Ukraine.

And this worries me so much I did## this film.

I went on frontline, I went in# the trenches in order to try to prevent## this becoming a forgotten war, which# is the worst for people to be victim## or forgotten -- of a forgotten war.

It# is the worst Destiny possible on Earth.

ALI ROGIN: Ever since this full# scale invasion of Ukraine began## there have been many conflicts all over# the world.

But none the attention of the world quite like# the war between Israel and Hamas.

I## don't mean to diminish the importance of# that conflict by asking this question.

But are you concerned that the# war in the Middle East is taking## attention away from what's happening in Ukraine?

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: It's an illness of our# time, a pl able to focus our attention on two things at# the same time.

We have to understand the war## of Hamas against Israel.

The war of Putin# of Russia against Ukraine are two parts## of the same picture.

For many regards.# The actors are linked on the two sides.

Hamas and Putin are linked we know that.

We know# that Moscow is the only big capital in the world## where Hamas was received with red carpet before# the October 7 forum and after the October 7 forum.

ALI ROGIN: You visited Ukraine this was your 11th# trip there since the beginning of this war.

One of## the things that struck me the most was when you# were embedded with soldiers on the frontlines.## One soldier says, if we had more ammunition, we# could finish the job.

Do you agree with that?

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: I'm more than agree.

I saw# it.

I saw how they have 20 shelves for the week,## and they don't know when a# new delivery will come.

And## they haven't done yet.

How many would# they use?

One?

Two?

Three?

Not more.

So the scarcity, the non-delivery,# though your lack of promises,## or the betraying of promises of the West, this# is a reality of which I am a personnel witness.

ALI ROGIN: Another reality that you# capture is the incredible resilience,## the passion of the Ukrainian# people, the civilians, the fighters,## what did you take away about those# moments with the Ukrainian people?

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: My family is entitled# Glory to the Heroes I mean it.

These## guys who come with the violin, with their# music instruments with who try to rehands,## upgrade the morale of the troop of soldiers who# lost their brothers, a few hours before.

The old## lady who is growing some cucumbers and some# tomato, on the Makkadam (ph) of her Street,## the house is destroyed.

There is just# the pavement of the street.

And there,## she puts some (inaudible) and she grows from# cucumber.

She's a hero too, and she will not move.

ALI ROGIN: Another really striking set of moments# in the film is when you talk to Russian captives,## prisoners of war, who have been# captured, they are incredibly## demoralized.

And then you contrast that# with the spirit of Ukrainian fi men who have lost limbs, and who can't# wait to get back on the front lines.

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: As you will say, I had your# chance and a privilege to film both.

And I see the## difference.

The Russians were really poor guys.# They were taken out of jail.

They were brought on## frontline, nobody told us that they will fight.# They were sold lie slave for 25,000 rubles each## by the official officers of the official army# to a private companies like Wagner, you know.

So when you compare that the high morale# of the Ukrainians, and the low or no moral,## not morale at all, of the Russians, there is# a logic since the antiquity you cannot win a## war when you don't know why you do it.

And you# cannot lose it when you have such a high morale.

Now, the question of the weapon without# F-16, without French Caesar cannons,## of course, the war will last, so it has# to end quickly with the capitulation of## the Russian army, which is logical if# we deliver what is needed for that.

ALI ROGIN: And to that end, what is your message# to lawmakers as they debate funding for this war.

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: I'm here since a# few days.

I hear that the borders are## a big topic here at the Congress# and so on border, border, border.

ALI ROGIN: Right.

Funding# is connected to our border.

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: I want border.

Okay.# I would like to to speak of Johnson to Senator# Graham that the border of America,## the border of Europe today is in Ukraine.# Those who defend the border of these brave## Ukrainian fighters whom I depict in dust in# my movie and others, the border is there.

If we let Putin win the war, or even lose it# half, it would be a terrible signal given to## all those who hate the liberal values, the# democratic way of life, the sense of freedom,## which are cherished, still in a big part of# Europe and North America.

It will be horrible,## terrible signal given to all the enemies# of that in our countries and around.

ALI ROGIN: The new documentary is Glory to the# Heroes.

Bernard-Henri Levy, thank you so much.

BERNARD-HENRI LEVY: Thank you, Ali.

Thank you.

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